dean.edwards.name/weblog/2007/05/miniweb/

Comment: #1

Error: missing formal parameter
Source File: http://base2.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/src/apps/MiniWeb/engine-f.js
Line: 1361, Column: 24
Source Code:
	toJSONString: function(boolean) {

Comment: #2

very interesting. this would be handy for self contained stuff like documentation. down with PDFs!

Comment: #3

@Johann – well I said it was unfinished and it is pretty buggy in places.That said, can you provide a bit more info? Which browser? What you clicked on? etc

If you start editing stuff then you can easily break MiniWeb yourself anyway.

Comment: #4

Reminds me of TiddlyWiki…

Comment: #5

Can’t do images, though, unless you know a way of doing images inline in IE that I don’t know — data urls don’t work, JavaScript URLs don’t work, etc, etc, unless someone’s come up with a new technique I don’t know about. You can’t even use XBMs any more; IE7 dropped support for them

Comment: #6

You should work for Google Dean! And this could be your 20% project, and get paid for it!

Amazing stuff mate.

Comment: #7

I get the same missing formal parameter error in Firefox. No clicks, this is on load.

Comment: #8

@Andrew – TiddlyWiki is brilliant and was an inspiration for MiniWeb.

@sil – You can still link to images on the web. They just will not be visible when you are offline.

@Jef – Which version/OS?

Comment: #9

@sil, dean – Maybe you could use the .mhtml format and the cid: URI scheme for images?

Comment: #10

Very cool. Now I just need to think of some project I could use it on so I can justify spending the time to mess around.

Comment: #11

Cool, combine with the synchronizer in

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=379517

and you’ll have a file synchronizer

Comment: #12

I don’t think it even *loads* in Konqueror…

Check it out. Nothing happens. It loads for a little while and does nothing. Whoo!

Comment: #13

Justin: yeah, except that mhtml isn’t supported outside IE (the Mozilla MAF extension supports it, but that’s not there by default).

Dean: indeed, but if you can see the internet then I’m not sure what the point of packaging up something into one file is

Comment: #14

Ah, whoops. I guess I should have checked to make sure that works first. I kind of expected Firefox would at least be able to display MHTML, considering Thunderbird would have to support something similar to deal with HTML email.

Comment: #15

@sil – true.But I was thinking of cases where they are not primary content. Google’s rounded corners API for instance.

Comment: #16

@Matt – Konqueror is based on WebKit so it is likely to suffer the same bug as Safari. Never mind. MiniWeb is an HTML-based application not a web application. So, as long as you can open and edit it in one browser (Firefox), then your content is still available. I will try to add Safari support later though. Another problem with Safari/Konqueror is that there is no access to the local file system, so MiniWeb would be read-only in those browsers anyway.

Comment: #17

This is fantastic and absurd like tiddlywiki. Tiddlywiki makes sense as a personal notebook – this one seems like a whole website in a page…

Comment: #18

@dean: Actually, it’s the other way around, although they tend to share many of the same bugs since WebKit as it is now is mainly a Cocoa-fied version of KHTML with bugfixes and new renderring features.

And alright, I think I see why this would be useless in Konqueror/Safari if that’s the case. Still a cool idea, though.

Comment: #19

@Matt – seeing as you are a WebKit expert, could you have a look at what is making MiniWeb crash that engine? I find Safari hard to debug.

Comment: #20

I have the same error than Johann. It’s in Safari (and it does not crash) If I have time I will try to find why Seb

Comment: #23

Dean,

the console message I pasted above is from Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060414.

And no, it’s stil there

Comment: #25

@sil, dean: I can not find the link, but I once saw a solution for image embedding in IE:

IE can handle ‘javascript:’ urls for images as long as they are XBM-Images. These XBM-Images are black and white only. Use filters to make them coloured, let one colour shine through and change the opacity. Then place multiple of those XBM-Images on each other to have multicolour images. IIRC that even works with dynamically created images.

In case it is not IE, simply expect the browser to support ‘data:’ urls.

Comment: #26

@Christof – XBM support was removed in IE7.

Comment: #27

Hence why I said “You can’t even use XBMs any more; IE7 dropped support for them”

Am I right in thinking that there is now no client-side-only way of generating an image at all in IE7? Apart from VML, of course, which might be the best solution (especially since you can use SVG everywhere else), or ExplorerCanvas.

Comment: #28

I think that if someone binds ‘document’ to base2.DOM then ‘addEventListener’ should be attached to ‘window’ too. Anyway, very good framework, thanks

Comment: #29

BTW, since you mentioned that you’re planning to document your code, you might want to consider to use jGrouseDoc (http://jgrouse.com/docs/jgdoc/jGrouseDoc.html).

No tool is perfect, so the list of alternatives could be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_documentation_generators

Comment: #30

@dean: damn it. I was planing to use that for a kind of drawing application. IECanvas is not an alternative, because the Application should be able to do setpixel() and getpixel() with almost all Pixles on a rather huge canvas (8092x2048px). IECanvas will be too slow for so many 1 Pixel Objects. I guess I will have to fall back to Java for that

Comment: #31

@sil: sorry, I did not read your post closely.

Comment: #32

Reminds me… Flash sites)))

Comment: #33

This is really great. I see a ghosted option for Markdown input in the blog example. Are you planning to accept Markdown in MiniWeb templates too? I’ve done a JavaScript port of Markdown, if that helps.

Comment: #34

crazy thing but some genius in it too. i like to play with its really funny. it works here without problems on firefox 2.0 + win2k and IE5.0 + XP. good work!

Comment: #35

Hi Dean,

A bit off topic… I’ve noticed in the source code that you use “new function(_){….}” to wrap everything in a closure – I’ve been using “(function(){…})()” instead – is one ‘better’ than the other – or is there no real difference… if this is too complicated to answer don’t worry.

Great work btw!

Dave

Comment: #36

The idea is simple and genial at the same time. I wonder how an entire website can be “included” in a single HTML page. Perhaps this mechanism could become the future of the web!

Comment: #37

I also would like to know the answer to the Dave’s question (#35)

Comment: #38

@Dave/ffrk – there is no real difference. I use new function because I also use the object created by the new operator.

Comment: #39

Thanks Dean

Comment: #40

Very nice, you are acheiving some very nice things when you look at what the script is run from.

I think the biggest flaw in my opinion is not being able to directly link to urls, because of the # (is it called a fragment in a URL?).

But very nice job, atm I suppose it is just a ‘toy’, but i’m sure something good could come of it.

Comment: #41

@dean/Dave/ffrk well, there is a difference: new “new function() {…}” creates a new object which “(function(){…})()” doesn’t. If you use the created object (this) use new, otherwise you can spare a little bit of time and memory by using (function(){})(). Usually the difference is not really notable.

@Alberto: No this technique will not become the future of the web, but it might be an alternative for documents on CD or harddisk. In the Web the user would have to download too much stuff he is not really interested in.

Comment: #42

the mini-web is a nice toy to play around with it but i don´t know how it works, java-script is a book with seven seals for me. in my eyes your a little java-script-god well done good work!

Comment: #43

@ #40 If I got things right, there shouldn’t be any problem with directly linking to URLs. There’s nothing wrong in using links with anchors. Acutally, they are great, because they update everytime you navigate through the directories. Search engines would only show the main page, but they don’t render the rest anyway.

Comment: #45

Dean, implementation of CSS Selectors in recent version of base2 (i have downloaded it today) is completely broken. It’s failing in not one case, but many. For example:

someElement.matchSingle(‘ul li’) this will find me first ‘li’ element in a document – not in a someElement

fieldset.matchAll(“label, input, select, textarea”).lenth this will return 0, while in my case should return 10

and probably there are many other problems. In version that I have on my computer everything works fine.

Comment: #46

@ffreak – Fixed now. You can report base2 bugs on the issues page:

http://code.google.com/p/base2/issues/list

Comment: #47

Hey Dean, Any chance there will soon be a documentation of Base2 in German or at least French? Regards Sandra

Comment: #48

@Sandra – although I suspect that your comment is sophisticated spam, I will answer it anyway. There isn’t any documentation for base2 yet. When there is I will try to get some translations made. I can’t do it myself as I am a native English speaker and therefore speak no other language.

Comment: #49

Dean Your right it’s sophisticated spam but when someone from commercial website want to comment everyone think the only thing he wants is to make spam but a lot of users wants to say something and get some link love. That’s why i use my name when I comment. btw. I tested MiniWeb and it’s great im not native English speaker so sorry if I write something wrong.

Comment: #53

MiniWeb is one cool little application. I had some fun playing around with it. Nice work Dean!

Comment: #54

Hello Dean,

nice application. However it seems broken at this moment (the error I get is: reduce is not defined ; I had tried it a few weeks ago and was impressed then) Have you checked google gears? I will do some experiments with google gears in the near future. Perhaps a nice experiment would be porting miniweb to that platform.

Jan.

Comment: #55

@Jan, fixed now.

If you want to port MiniWeb to gears you only need to change the FileSystem class.

Comment: #56

MiniWeb seems to be a great attempt… and awesome implementation of all the work you did on base2 library all these days… Hope to get inspire and come up with good concepts and share it with you.